Thursday, April 23, 2009

BMW Oracle statement on meeting with Alinghi

[Source: BMW Oracle] A delegation from the Golden Gate Yacht Club and its team, BMW ORACLE Racing, met in Geneva today with representatives of SNG/Alinghi.

GGYC’s clear and straight-forward proposals for a fully competitive, conventional America’s Cup in monohulls were rejected by SNG, who insisted on a regatta in large multihulls under the Deed of Gift (“DoG”).

SNG asserted that the Deed of Gift match with GGYC would take place in May 2010. This is in defiance of the recent decision and orders of the New York courts that the DoG match take place in February 2010.

GGYC has asked SNG to put their position in writing, and hopes to have another meeting with SNG soon to clarify issues related to the DoG match.

GGYC is disappointed that SNG categorically rejected our proposals for a conventional regatta. GGYC will continue to negotiate in good faith as Challenger of Record to put the America’s Cup back on the water as soon as possible.

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At 3:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

such a shame :(

At 4:07 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"GGYC’s clear and straight-forward proposals for a fully competitive, conventional America’s Cup in monohulls were rejected by SNG, who insisted on a regatta in large multihulls under the Deed of Gift (“DoG”)."

Rejected by SNG huh? That would lend one to believe it is SNG/Alinghi who are keeping the other teams out of the AC, but I am sure some who post on here will spin this as BMWO's fault. Funny

And with SNG/Alinghi saying May 2010 well that means more court dealings are in the future. Cahn's ruling stated 10 months from the settled order (February 2010) in Valencia or anywhere else that complies with the DoG. And it was a pretty specific ruling. Next gripe for court will be the CHR. So more court to come. Hopefully one court to be visited will strip SNG of its trustee duties. Seems to be appropriate at this point. Or BMWO shows up in Valencia in February 2010 and sails a DoG course and the courts rule BMWO to winner because SNG didn't show up. Another possibility. lol

At 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks a lot SNG & I hope the court strips The Cup from you. Your a disgrace to the AC community!!!

At 4:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the America’s Cup‘ ll become a sport ?
The last proposal of Oracle was fair and in the correct direction for the sport, the answer that come out today from Alinghi no.
Bertarelli and his Graduates are thinking only to their personal interest and ego, one time ago they was also sailors now no for sure !
A multi challeger in one year with multihulls is a joke !
I hope that the “Swiss” that already loose in the Court, will loose also in the water next year so could finish this black moment and AC will become for the first time a sport with fair and stable Rules in advance!

At 4:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOR are a big liars and they try to put Alinghi as the bad of this film. Bor doesn't not want a multichallengers-monohull regatta, they're now in the final after the court of NY and they'd never get the final in the water. BOR LOSERS!!!!

At 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOR should think the way they reach the final...they'd never get it on the water, they're LOSERS!!!

At 4:31 PM, Blogger Jeff Aiken said...

What do you expect from a bunch or poodles; they are like every other dog, they hump anything that moves and eat thier own crap.

At 6:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should read the offer by BOR more carefully - non of the 19 teams want to race under the AC32 rules - so this was a pure bullshit offer that should blame Alinghi.
If BOR wants to race in a multi challenger Cup they should accept what 18 other teams have accepted.
This is just another poor BOR marketing story......

At 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course its BOR shifting the blame to Allinghi. The fact is that they (BOR) have to first declare their entry, and they haven't done that! Because they cannot commit in front of the world to a DoG race eliminating all other entries. Its only logical that Allingi insists in finding out which boat (or type on AC) LE wants to compete with. Its part of the requirements to let the defender know which boat the challenger will use.

Poor sportsmanship again from BOR, the Americans are poor losers (since 1992).

At 7:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:23 PM - please check your history for the facts of how the Deed challenge works as you don't understand it.

If you did you'd been asking why CNEV never procdued a CHR.

At 7:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, that's the American way: put the blame on somebody else, point fingers, but NEVER admit to anything. Like for instance how they eliminated all the challengers for the rest of the world.

We will be waiting at least 4-5 years now for the next multi challenger AC. Nice going, BOR ....

At 7:39 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"Yes, that's the American way: put the blame on somebody else, point fingers, but NEVER admit to anything."

If that ist he American way then we learned it from our ancient european ancestors. lol

BMWO should end their PR relations with Alinghi. The NYSC posted its settled order. It says 10 months from when it was issued. That is February 2010 in Valencia, or anywhere else Alinghi chooses as long as it complies with the Deed of Gift. And Alinghi must give BMWO 6 month notice. So BMWO should say "We look forward to the venue announcment in August and if no venue is announced we will be on the water on February 8, 2010." That should be all that needs to be said out of BMWO. Enough of this Euro-trash bullshit.

At 7:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:08 poster - here is the direct quote from the Deed:

Accompanying the ten months'
notice of challenge there must be sent the name of the owner and a
certificate of the name, rig and following dimensions of the challenging vessel, namely, length on load water-line; beam at load water-line and extreme beam; and draught of water; which dimensions shall not be exceeded; and a custom-house registry of the vessel must also be sent as
soon as possible.

Pretty clear, isn't it? They must declare their entry!

At 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SD: We have recently seen an exchange of letters between SNG and GGYC re: Custom’s House Certificate - When can Alinghi expect the Custom’s House Certificate?

Grant Simmer: The Deed says the Challenger has to provide the Customs House Certificate “as soon as possible”, in the case of this yacht we argued that the Certificate should have been provided during construction so between four and six months ago.

At 9:21 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

Is BMWO's DoG boat finished? Sure there was a 90x90 tri tested by BMWO but it was never formally commissioned and appearently its in pieces once again. Funny how that 90x90 tri disappeared right before the final NYSC decision was issued. Up till that point BMWO was not the official COR so they didn't owe Alinghi a CHR. Now that they are the COR their boat is technically under construction. Once its complete expect a CHR to be provided "as soon as possible". Two can play Alinghi's delay game it would seem.

At 9:23 PM, Blogger Jeff Aiken said...

What you poodles fail to realize is that no one on BOR has said it is going to be a DOG match, BOR was just made the COR by the courts.

It is now up the BOR & SNG to work out a multi team race, if they are unable to come to an agreement then and only then does it go to a DOG match and only at that point is BOR required to supply a CHC.

Why would BOR give them a CHC until they decide which boat they are going to use, for all we know LE may have a 200 x 200 multihull up his sleave.

At 9:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cant produce a CHR during construction. Can you???

The craft must be complete and seaworthy in order for the certificate to be issued?

At 9:42 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"Why would BOR give them a CHC until they decide which boat they are going to use, for all we know LE may have a 200 x 200 multihull up his sleave."

That would be cool but its not possible. In BMWO challenge they stated they planned to use a boat with the dimensions of 90x90. Thats what they must show up in. Not something bigger, and not something smaller. And I do believe, based on the DoG, that neither the defender or any challenger can use a boat that is over 125 feet long. Might be off a bit on that number, but 200 feet is way to big.

So BMWO is locked into a boat that fits 90x90 and Alinghi can, and it is rumored they are building, a boat at least 125 feet long. Some have said its a cat with two masts. Should be interesting.

At 10:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give them a Gold Medal for Unfairness, they definitively deserve it! What a shame Man!! Love sailing, but haite arguing!!! Let's go sailing folks instead

At 10:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LE is on the water "as we speak" - and back to his old tricks:

6:13 PM - Flight 8 - Artemis beats BMW ORACLE Racing and wins the event

Maybe LE can sue them too?

At 5:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh my god what a load of crap!
Fire the lawyers and the PR people and put Larry and Ernesto in a ring with gloves on and let them slug it out. Last man standing wins the precious. I would pay to watch that fight!!

At 2:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now we know why LE should be the challenger of record: because he is such a great sailor (BTW he hasnt won one single regatta yet!):

1) Artemis, Dean Barker, 9/0, 9 points
2) No Way Back, Philippe Presti, 6/3, 1 penalty, 5 points
3) Ceeref, Sébastien Col, 6/3, 1 penalty, 5 points
4) BMW ORACLE Racing, Larry Ellison, 5/4, 5 points
5) Team Aqua, Cameron Appleton 4/5, 4 points
6) Puerto Calero Islas Canarias, José Juan Calero, 2/7, 2 points
7) Team Organika, Karol Jablonski 2/7, 2 points
8) Team Sea Dubai, Markus Wieser, 2/7, 2 points
9) Team Austria, Christian Binder, 1/8, 1 point

At 9:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good bye Valencia. It looks like Our time here is over...

At 3:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

April 27, 2009 at about 1500 it was learnt that contempt charges were filed vs SNG.

When is SNG going to learn


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