Friday, May 22, 2009

Green Comm Challenge comments on yesterday's BMW Oracle press conference

Related PDF files- Letter from Green Com to GGYC, 22 May 2009

Commodore
Golden Gate Yacht Club
1 Yacht Road
San Francisco, California 94123
May 22, 2009

Dear Commodore Young,

I am writing to you once again further to my previous still unanswered letter dated May 11, 2009 in which I clearly informed you, in your capacity of Challenger of Record, of our request to meet you and discuss the possibility and the rules of a Challenger Selection Series in relation to the 33rd America’s Cup.

Enclosed to the letter you received as well the Notice of Challenge that we addressed to the Defender, and I indicated to you that we would be pleased to have the opportunity fully to inform you about our financial backing and the structure of our Challenge and whatever else would have been of interest to you, so as to satisfy yourselves as to our independence, readiness and commitment. I am sure you will remember that, to this purpose we even offered you to meet one of our advisors in San Francisco.

Now, let me say that we are very surprised by the lack of any reply and even acknowledgment by you as we would have expected, not only as matter of good manners but also as one of the main duties of your Yacht Club in its capacity of Challenger of Record to protect the interests of all other challengers.

We must point out that this passive attitude is now causing undue delays to our organizational plans.

Having said that, I am sure that you will understand our very unpleasant surprise in reading in the news today what has been stated by two BMW-Oracle employees, namely Mr. Russell Coutts and Mr. Thomas Ehman during a press conference held yesterday in Valencia. The two of them actually made untrue, inaccurate, unverified and unacceptable statements and hints which are clearly misleading the press and the general public about the activities, the independency and the goodwill of Circolo Vela Gargnano and Green Comm Challenge.

The statements and allegations which were reported by a number of sources, included the audio registration, and attributed to the two employees are such as materially to prejudice the interests of our Yacht Club and damage its challenge and its sponsors and are, therefore, presently under scrutiny by our legal advisors.

Needless to say that each of the two BMW Oracle's employees will be held directly and personally responsible for the consequences arising from such behaviour and that we shall protect our interests in every jurisdiction where we have or will suffer damages.

Moreover the above is unproper because all our communications have been so far and very correctly so, addressed only to you as the Commodore of the Golden Gate Yacht Club, the only party from whom an answer would have been proper.

We expected and do still expect the Golden Gate Yacht Club to be consistent with all the public statements, including the ones which can be read in the Transcripts of the Court Hearings in New York (May 14), where it supported a multi challenger event. Because of such repeated and vocal support of a multiple challengers event, we have invested significant time, money and resources to speed up our America's Cup campaign to be ready for February 2010.

The Golden Gate Yacht Club has a fine tradition of sportsmanship and fairness and, as the Challenger of Record, has also a fiduciary responsibility to defend and preserve the rights of all the challengers interested in attending the America's Cup selection series.

We do therefore once again friendly request you to cooperate by setting up a meeting at your earliest convenience, possibly in Valencia, to address and solve the issues listed in our previous letter without any further delay and with the purpose of bringing back the original spirit of "a friendly competition between nations".

I look forward to hearing from you,

Your sincerely,

Lorenzo Rizzardi
President
Circolo di Vela Gargnano

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39 Comments:

At 6:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will be no empathy towards this challenge as it's so obvious why it came about....it's in the press.

More importantly SNG forced a default DoG. So if SNG wants to go MC in Mutli's they need to explain why they didn't go MC in mono's where there were 18 - 20 teams waiting. Heck, Green Com could even have done a mono challenge, for less $, bigger sponsor exposure & more competition.

Hey, SNG why did you bail on 18-20 challengers to only take 1 (Green Com)???

 
At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very well written and an accurate "calling out" of the shenanigans BOR are trying to pull and have been pulling for almost 2 years... Someone has got to put these guys in their place! They are already acting as if they've won the Cup! Hijacking the event, by loading the media with a bunch of self serving half-truths and even more outright lies. And planning the next Cup for after this edition is over... Um, excuse me guys, but doesn't there have to be a series of races first? On the water??? And correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you guys failed at this miserably every time so far? I'm so sick of this media game they have been pulling since 2007. Their thinking is, "If we put enough crap out there and layer it on thick enough people will believe us and all follow in line..." Well here's Green Comm saying, enough already! And good for them. Let's hope more people/teams follow in GC's footsteps, and even better let's hope Alinghi smokes them on the racecourse, and sends RC and especially TE off into dejected misery. And speaking of misery, how fun will it be to see what happens when Larry Ellison finds out that you can't, in fact, "buy the America's Cup" I can't wait!

 
At 7:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unbelieveable as to why a past AC challenger with such a dubious past pops up out of one where w/ major program.

As stated on many forums, this team has a lot financial questions from the past that are still outstanding. Is this the latest poodle that is being taken from the very bottom of the list?

It's a very sad day for the AC & the sailing community thanks to SNG & their greed. What's next for SNG to try & pull???

 
At 7:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Lorenzo Rizzardi and all Green Comm "Challenge",

If you don't want to figure in the history of the America's Cup as the most stupid, ignorant, moron and absolutely spineless fool, you should desist now with this worthless intent.

When we thought that Chirivella, Pompo and Lissavetzky with the CNEV have beaten all the records, somebody will come to show that there is always room for more stupidity....
ppmm

 
At 7:08 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

BMWO wanted cooperation from Alinghi to mutually consent on a multi-challenger event in monohulls since the first court bullshit was started. Alinghi has now refused mono's and wants mulit-hull races. BMWO has said if AC33 is in multi's it will be only between BMWO and Alinghi.

Since it would appear AC33 will be contested WITHOUT mutual consent, BMWO does not have the obligation to include any other challenge if they choose not to. That is what will happen.

The added bonus is that the Green Guys are really +39 stooges in disguise which are one of the original Alinghi Poodles from AC32. With a swiss sponsor to boot. If anyone thinks these Green Guys stand on their own independent of Alinghi then you are smokin some serious crack. Or whatever crackheads smoke in Europe.

 
At 7:22 PM, Anonymous JoeCool said...

To Anonymous (6:30pm) and WetHog:
I'll use GreenCom words to say that your comment couldn't be more untrue and inaccurate. Only someone like TE or RC could twist the story like you do it.

Backfiring now SNG??? Wow, that's a bit late, but good try.
It's not SNG but BOR who has to make a public move on this multichallenge request.
They are the only ones that can make it happen... if they still have any sense of sportiveness.

Their excuse last time was that they preferred to wait until the Court ruled on the contempt accusation that as the world knows never happened.

This time they could be more honest and publicly say what everybody knows: that they've created this whole mess just to get rid of everyone and get directly into a final AC match, and therefore they have no intention whatsoever to accept any other entry.

Come on Russell, compete in a Challenger Series again!
Show the world you're the best!
Oh, I just remembered that I should ask this to James Spithill... because you're afraid of cats!!!

 
At 7:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ anonymous 6:42 hrs.

Ernesto, SHUT UP!

 
At 7:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wet Hoggiee, I`ve got a very simple questions for you: how do you promote a multi challenger mono hull AC event, after you challenge in a 90 foot multi hull?

Oh, yes, I forgot, in these economic times not a problem building one (or better two) 90 foot monsters in 18 different teams, right?

Buddy, you make no sense at all, just like those two clowns from BOR Mr. Ehmann and Coutts.

 
At 7:43 PM, Anonymous Norberto said...

This is a very clear, friendly, and outspoken letter saying the truth. It says: Hellooooooo BOR, whats up with the challenger series? Why aren't you going to have one? Are you afraid of some friendly competition?

 
At 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Cool - You obviously haven't read the paper trail that has gotten us here.

We are here due to SNG's greed. There is only one way to look at all this & that's were it all started w CNEV. You probably don't understand that.

There will be no MC on the default DoG as that is what SNG chose. If SNG wants to meet MC challenger through a CSS let's go similar box rule boats. No SNG past on that when there were 18-20 teams ready. Now they want to change the default DoG into a CSS. SNG can't have it both ways!!!

Btw what SNG & their poddle are suggesting has never been done. Not going to happen especially when it busy the Defender more time. I would love to see them go to court on this one but they don't have the balls for it as they know the courts have had enough of them.

You got to ask yourself how desperate SNG is now? What's next, going after Tom Ehman & Russell Coutts in some bogus law suit in Switzerland or Spain. Remeber SNG has been in court 5 times to GGYC 2in all of this.

Bets are on that SNG will refuse mediation as well.

I hope you SNG'ist are really proud of your Defender. They are going to loose The Cup before the race even happens now.

 
At 8:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:42 PM - what are you talking about??? You don't need to build new boats as there are plenty of V 5's around.

Haven't you figured out why the LV Series is going to take off without SNG. It's because they are using boats already built. The teams can afford the LV & it's cheaper than what SNG does it for both for the teams & the hosting city. Wake up!!!

Face it, that SNG is loosing on all fronts. They have become the arrogrant & high profile yacht club in the media. While at the same time dragging the sport down with them.

 
At 8:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

italian is better

maria luoise ciccone

green comm is fantastic adventure...

 
At 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could Mr.Rizzardi pay me the money at last?
I don't have money for lawyers, but I need to pay school for my child.
Could you pay me the money?
Could you pay me?
Could you pay?

PAY

 
At 8:41 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"Backfiring now SNG??? Wow, that's a bit late, but good try.
It's not SNG but BOR who has to make a public move on this multichallenge request.
They are the only ones that can make it happen... if they still have any sense of sportiveness."

BMWO has to do nothing. They have the date of a DoG match set (February 10, 2009), Alinghi has to serve notice of where the venue is 6 months in advance, and when their new boat, "USA", is finished in August (probably right after the venue is announced), BMWO will give Alinghi the CHR for that boat.

As for Green +39, if they were serious about challenging, and not acting as another stooge for Alinghi, why did they issue their challenge to SNG/Alingi first and not BMWO? It is BMWO's responsibility to deal with additional Challengers, not SNG/Alinghi. And now news comes out that Green +39 newest sponsor is partially owned by Ernesto Bertarelli? Yeah sounds like a legit Challenger to me.

 
At 8:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone know where the web site is for Green Comm Challenge or is this another paper challenge like DE & CNEV?

 
At 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure what everyone is worried about, we finally have a boat race.

 
At 9:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The website of Green Comm Challenge is http://www.centomiglia.it/

Regards,
Cristian Palau

 
At 10:00 PM, Anonymous Qwerty said...

Wethog, Wethog... where have I read this name before?
Oh right, he's the one that wrote yesterday this sentence in this same blog insulting more than 700 million Europeans:
"Seems the only good thing coming out of Europe these days is the effort Mr. Pierre puts into this site"

Pierre, I honestly believe that such an intolerant behavior shouldn't be tolerated in a blog like yours that stands out for being serious, professional and objective.

 
At 10:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:28 PM - Thanks Cristian.

I was looking for a team site as I already know who CVG is. I know where the old +39 site is but it hasn't been updated like CNEV.

Only other site linked off CVG is
http://www.centomiglia.it/greencom/green-comm_ok_file/frame.htm

 
At 10:40 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"Pierre, I honestly believe that such an intolerant behavior shouldn't be tolerated in a blog like yours that stands out for being serious, professional and objective."

Do some back checking before you call me out please. What I post on here that might be seen as negative towards my friends in Europe is nothing compared to how us American's are portrayed on this site. Then again it would seem calling American's negative things is acceptible these days, and any reply in kind by an American like me is labeled "Intolerant". To you Sir I have this famous quote:

"I fart in your general direction!"

And does this now mean I should be added to that fabulous "ban list" just created in the UK? Intolerance indeed.

 
At 10:42 PM, Anonymous Norberto the imposter said...

Tom Ehman, Russel Coutts, and WETHOGGIIEEEEHHH ... they are all the same types: the spinners! They twist and turn, and insult, and lie, and deceive ..... and in the end they shot themselves in the foot.

Best not to pay any attention to those light weights, its all crap anyway that's coming out of their moths.

 
At 10:57 PM, Anonymous Russ said...

The road is looooong....with many a winding turn.....that leads us to whoooooo.....knows whereeeere....knows whennnnn.....

Go get jobs. Go get a life. Forget it. Move on. It's over. We're stuffed. Tried my best, but I blew it.
Sorry everybody.

 
At 11:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did GreenComm get this silly idea from?

"The Golden Gate Yacht Club has a fine tradition of sportsmanship and fairness and, as the Challenger of Record, has also a fiduciary responsibility to defend and preserve the rights of all the challengers interested in attending the America's Cup selection series."

They must use the same semi-retarded lawyers that Alinghi does. What a joke!

 
At 1:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why does BOR not talk to these people and accept this challenge ? This is crazy !
Poodle or not it still is a challenge and the best way to show one's strength and good faith is to do it in the water....
Or does BOR only want to secure the Cup in Court and by preventing anyone else from taking part ?

 
At 4:10 AM, Blogger Paul said...

"I`ve got a very simple questions for you: how do you promote a multi challenger mono hull AC event, after you challenge in a 90 foot multi hull?" -Anonymous

Dear Anonymous, you should do your homework, you'd learn some things. From the GGYC notice of challenge:

"GGYC acknowledges that the Deed of Gift may alter and supplement these terms, and nothing in the Challenge is intended to circumvent consensual negotiations in the spirit of the Deed of Gift toward a Protocol comparable in scope, and similar in terms to that used for the 32nd America's Cup. However, should SNG be unwilling to participate in the establishment of a Protocol through a consensual process, then the match shall proceed as expressly set forth in the Deed of Gift."

SNG has been unwilling to participate in a consensual process and now we have a DoG match. It isn't GGYC's fault.

 
At 5:14 AM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"Tom Ehman, Russel Coutts, and WETHOGGIIEEEEHHH ... they are all the same types: the spinners! They twist and turn, and insult, and lie, and deceive ..... and in the end they shot themselves in the foot."

Hey at least I am not an "Imposter". Not everyday my alter-ego is used in the same sentence as Mr. Ehman and Mr. Coutts. I'll take it. ;) And if they would like to put me on the payroll for my "spinning" skills I suppose I can be bought. I hear the money is good. :P

 
At 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The GreenComedy challenge and letters are so bogus and baseless, makes you wonder if it is all a clever ploy by Ehman to make EB look even more arrogant and ridiculous.

 
At 9:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Pay where is your bank????

w GREEN COMM CHALLENGE

 
At 11:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOR do you think it is a problem for you to fight with GreenComm?
where is the problem?
You could set the rules and the date.
Please do a multi challenge competition, it will be better for all the people who like AC and sailing!!!!

 
At 12:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys, it's time to go back to sport. If Green Comm wants to sail let them sail! It is quite simple...if so we will find out their boat and their backers that, IMHO, aren't Alinghi's ones...

All of you talk like lawyers....I think we all want to see boats sailing!!!

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

If Green +39 is serious I would have no problem seeing them compete. But where were they at least a year ago? 6 monts ago? Thats where this whole Green +39 thing doesn't pass the smell test. Well being associated with +39 from AC32 stunk from the beginning.

BMWO wanted an AC32 style multi-challenge event in mono's. They have said that from the beginning. A multi-hull match was/is a last resort and not intended for added participants.

Both sides have shown they are un-willing to back down. So why start now? For those of us that prefer a mulit-challenge event in Mono's, the sooner Feb. 2010 comes and goes the better regardless of who wins. Dicking around with half assed challenges like the Green +39 guys only delays things more and more. CNEV is a perfect example isn't it?

 
At 4:44 PM, Anonymous Wethogie is a dumb bell said...

Yes, we all want to see the boats sailing again.

But, there is one problem: the sialing is held up by the incredible American arrogance and ignorance, as is exhibited by Tom, Russel and WetHog!

 
At 8:20 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"But, there is one problem: the sialing is held up by the incredible American arrogance and ignorance, as is exhibited by Tom, Russel and WetHog!"

Well if Green +39 sues over being excluded, or Alinghi takes Ehman and Coutts to court over words spoken in the just completed press conference, who is delaying the Cup now? Hard to blame it on BMWO.

And I like the name you posted under. For you to use my name like that means what I have to say is starting to make sense no? Regardless, as the wise man/boy Pee Wee Herman once said:

"I know you are, but what am I?"

 
At 10:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wethog. I think you should take a break.

 
At 12:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Wethog and Wethogie,

it's time to exit this vicious circle of cross-suing and let race all teams willing to prepare a multi-hull within Feb '10. It will be tought and complicated...ok...but I think a multi challenge event will help anybody involved with AC(BOR, ALI, GCC, whatever...) to regaing consensus among fan and create the base for a fanastic AC34 in 2011.

 
At 9:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:15 AM - enough is enough!!!! SNG has had 2 years to say yes to GGYC proposal of a MC in mono's but they didn't. SNG hung everyone out to dry due to their greed.

Now because they have farted around with building there DoG boat they need more time. Screw them they've had 2 years.

As far as CVG, you just don't get it. SNG decided to refuse MC & go DoG. There is no CSS w/ a DoG match. Never has been & never will be. If CVG wants in they have to pressure SNG to go a traditional MC in mono's. If they want multi hulls they have to throw the ones they have away & design a box rule like the monos.

You seem so concerned about CVG but where's your concern for the 18-20 teams that SNG screwed. That is the real shame here as SNG ran over all their poodles as they were expendable

SNG can't have it both ways. They tried that w/ CNEV & look where we are 2 years down the road. Btw it's SNG doing all the suing & wasting the time so go talk to them.

 
At 8:16 PM, Anonymous WetHog said...

"wethog. I think you should take a break."

lol ok. I'll take a break from posting under the name WetHog and try out Anonymous. Seems posting that way gives one the leeway to truely be an idiot without fear of getting singled out.

 
At 10:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wethog. you should really take a break, seriously. You are becoming a bore. You crap on as if this is your own blog. Take a week off.

 
At 12:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The two of them actually made untrue, inaccurate, unverified and unacceptable statements and hints which are clearly misleading the press and the general public about the activities, the independency and the goodwill of Circolo Vela Gargnano and Green Comm Challenge"

Oh, boy, I can see TE & RC declaring in Court in Italy very soon.
Will Larry Ellison pay for that too?

 

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