Statement from Tom Ehman, Golden Gate Yacht Club Spokesperson
[Source: BMW Oracle] America’s Cup defender Société Nautique de Genève has been asked if Alinghi 5 will meet the event’s nationality rules.
In a letter today to SNG, GGYC Commodore Marcus Young wrote, “We find the Deed to be clear and unambiguous. It requires that the yacht, including its hull, appendages, mast and sails, be constructed in the country of the club it represents. We have gone to great lengths to comply with the Deed in all respects, including ‘constructed-in-country,’ and expect that your Club will do so as well.”
Alinghi 5 has been sailing continually with sails made at Minden, Nevada in the
USA.
Absent agreement on the constructed-in-country interpretation, the five-member International Jury recently appointed by the International Sailing Federation would be asked to rule on the matter.
Both yachts should come to the start “street-legal.” The sailing world expects this, and wants to know before the Match is sailed, not after. Having the Jury in place allows sailing matters to be dealt with by sailing experts.
GGYC’s objective is that the on-the-water result of the 33rd Match be conclusive. Any remaining contentious issues should be dealt with properly before the Match is sailed. No one wants the outcome of the Match to have a question mark hanging over it.
Labels: 33rd America's Cup, Alinghi 5, BMW Oracle
40 Comments:
It's about time GGYC did something about this. Everyone in the North Organization knows Alinghi is breaking the CIC rule by making their sails in Minden, and it was only a matter of time before they got called on it. Give GGYC credit for trying to sort it without going to Court, and before the Match not after.
What do you know, BMW find another way to halt it all again. You boys can sail right? If you are so confident of your boat, why not just race. The issue of 3DLs from the States is only an issue if you want it to be.
This will never be over will it?
Appears the rumour Oracle wants to delay the start date by coming up with yet more legal action is becoming real. Why does Oracle want to delay the start? Cause they want more time. If anyone believes it’s because Ehman wants the best for the rules and the cup is sadly mistaken!!! Just race!!! Get this ridiculous farce of a cup, which is ego driven OVER WITH!!!
Once again SNG & Alinghi will be caught cheating as per the Deed. At least this time a panel of expert sailing judges will rule so it will be damming on SNG/Alinghi that the sailing community has ruled against them as per the Deed.
Why SNG & Alinghi & their fans still don't see the light about sailing being self regulating in following the rules is a heavy & sad statement as to their commitment to the sports foundation of sportsmanship & rules. Shame on them & change you ways for the betterment of the sport.
It is now up to the jury to makie their decision within a few days to cross GGYC's intention. It is so obvious that they would rather fight where they are good in (court) than where they are not in the past (sailing).
Alinghi should have stayed in RaK to continue training because this will drag on for years.
Yeah, legal forecast for BMW to buy more time. cic issue then they will cry about the NOR then as jan 8th the sailing instructions come out they will have some sort of issue with that aswell. way to go BOR truely the white knight in this game. NOT !!
10:11 PM - it's so obvious that SNG/Alinghi as avoided wanting to race on the water. They have continued to cheat & been found cheating in the courts & sailing community (experts panel).
The Alinghi spin of 'winning it on the the water' is only geared to those that are blind, don't do research on the AC & know nothing about the rules of sailing. Bottom-line is that is pure Alinghi BS which we can only expect from a cheater off the water
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Yet another BS attempt by TE to keep things contentious and off the water. I actually am glad this will be sorted before the race - one less thing BOR can sue Alinghi for after they lose!
The jury will definitely find that Alinghi's sails were constructed in Switz - though the rough material did indeed come from Minden. Can BOR honestly say they don't have material on their boat that did not come in a rough form from another country...??? Of course not. TE is not a sailor, he's a professional shit-stirrer and he needs to be out of this business!
Caroline, that's the difference between a Mutual Consent Match, and a Deed of Gift Match.
Caroline you have a valid legal point.
Since 1990's nobody never ever complaint about the sails issues. So, in the legal world, it has been globally recognised as "world wide accepted", not only amongst the teams, but also by ISAF etc etc.
So, BMW Oracle has achieved a lot so far.
They will not achieve anything on this matter otherwise as you correctly said, the history of the AC since 1990's shall be re-written.
No Judge in the world, even the NY Court, wants to be stuck in the mud for a "sails decision" that will affect the last 25 years of the AC.
Ehman, you are trying hard, but on this step back cause you are opening a can of worm that will came back as a boomerang if it goes through.
The DOG does not say what GGYC say. It says "against any one yacht or vessel constructed in the country of the Club holding the Cup." Doesn't say anything about sails and appendages.
11:51 PM - there was Mutual Consent to let the teams have their sails done outside of CIC. There is no MC in this DoG match so SNG is in trouble.
What about Lewmar winches on board Oracle?.
What about ropes from different places but the USA?
What about carbon fiber from Taiwan for both teams?
What about honeycomb from France for both of them?
What about Designers from abroad?
What about sailors?
What about paint from NZ on both teams?
I could keep going all morning, but...
Too bad for Oracle that opened this road which can disqualify Alinghi, yes, but also its own boat.
I am really pissed of this bullshitting Ehman.
I was hoping for a great sailing event. Now i know. Ehman and Missis Couts do not want to sail.
This small boy Ellison wants to destroy the complete ACC.
BMW Oracle knew this since the beginning. Why now? shame on BMW Oracle
Just saw that Anacortes (where BOR Hulls were build) in the time of the founding of the Deed of Gift (1857) has not been part of ths USA. Washington is only part of the USA since 1889........................ Come on Alingi, its your part now ;-)
Caroline
wake up!
3DL have been in the Cup for so long due to MUTUAL CONSENT as stated in the different protocols. tell me something. whay would it had been excluded from previous CIC rules (an exception)by all teams if it was not illegal?
interesting. can't wait to see how alinghi spins this one. unless they are clever and they have back up plan all along.
never undersestimate a good oponent i say.
The most interesting words of this staement ar "absent agreement". It looks that BOR tried again to reach a mutual agreement on all outstanding issues. To avoid future legal problems. Alinghi rejects the agreement. The advantage is that now decides the ISAF International Jury, not lawyers and judges
to 9:26 PM anon
well, Bertarelli wanted a DoG race and consequently he should respect the rules of the deeed.
If he doesn't want to live with the CIC rule, there is always room for MC negotiations.
The Deed says on page one : "..., with a yacht or vessel propeled by sails only and constructed in the country to which the challenging Club belongs, against any one yacht or vessel constructed in the country of the Club holding the cup."
There's nothing about the sails to be constructed in the country of the club it represents. Plus is the BOR Wing a sail ?
11:45 AM anon
well, it is up to the jury, to interpret the deed correctly...
BMWO intend to bring this issue to the ISAF Jury and not the courts and some Alinghi sockpuppets still accuse BMWO of trying to win through the courts? Lost in translation I guess.
For me this move by BMWO has a couple different motives. Force Alinghi to MC discussions about Valencia, extra races, and propably drop this jury issue if Alinghi agree to not do the same in regards to BMWO's wing.
Regardless, all of us that actually care about this race taking place should be pleased because this is an issue that can be settled by the ISAF Jurt (not the NYSC) and will eliminate one issue that can be litigated after the match is complete.
It is about time that BMWOR and especially Tom Ehman got out of the sport of sailing. They are self serving trouble makers that have ruined the Americas Cup with their Challenger strategy. Alinghi aren't saints but look what they did for the AC between 2000 and 2007. BMWOR have done nothing but damadge the sport pursuing their own agenda. Why can't the rest of sailing see through these fakes and expose them for what they are.
What's about the wing?
This timing two days before Christmas shows the world again what character this "trio infernale" Ehman, Coutts and Ellison have.
start 69 now Ernesto! It's enough with this Coutts bullshit
@3:36 PM
As COR for AC32, BMWO had as much (if not more) to do with the success that was Valencia than Alinghi. Alinghi bitching and complaining both during and after AC32 about what a pain BMWO was in regards to organizing and running AC32 is proof of that.
For anyone not to credit BMWO for the success that AC32 was means those same people are either ill informed or just plain ignorant.
to 3:36 PM anon
the ones that have been exposed multiple times as acting non Deed compliant are EB and his fellows.
and to 3:41 PM anon
what's Christmas got to do with it?
This is about professional sailing and NOT about religion
Wethog
You've obviously been talking to Tom Ehman who has his own version of everything. Ask RC what he thought BMWOR's main focus was as COR for the 32nd. Umless he's changed his perspective you may get a more balanced view on these guys.
Stange how you fell anyone with a different view from yours is ill-informed.
@6:39 PM
My point is that as COR BMWO had a hand in what went into AC32. Simple as that. To say Alinghi is solely responsible is wrong.
And whats wrong with using "ill informed"? Should I take the Alinghi supporter route used on this site and insult someone's country of origin?
Alinghi fan boys, SNG wanted & chose a DOG. Now they have to live up to following not only DOG rules but past AC practices & traditional sailing rules. Sadly as proven in court & by the expert panel SNG/Alinghi has failed.
If you want to race, you need to understand the rules before you show up at the host YC. If you don't, don't show up.
If you want to be the host YC, you need to understand the rules of the sport & in this case of the AC plus be a neutral host. If you don't expect to get busted by the courts & ISAF.
SNG is a failure when is comes to understanding the rule of the AC & the rules of sailing as they apply to the AC. Their records in the courts & with the expert panel show that. How anyone can deny that & support what SNG is doing are people that don't belong in our sport as the foundation of the sport is to self regulate when it comes to the rules of which SNG's record in court proves they can't self regulate according to the rules. If you don't understand this, please go play another sport as you are not a sailor.
WetHog,
Don't know if you even were in VLC fo rthe 32AC because thinking BOR contributed is one of the most laughable statement one can read. You deifnitely shoud check your sources.
Ehman is a perverse egocentric and for him who failed twice organising an AC, seing someone else succeeding was his worst frustration.
He saved his skin only because of that court drama.
The people to get credit for the 32AC success are ACM and Ernesto Bertarelli. Alinghi was a competitor. Not an organiser.
@11:09 PM
SNG, Alinghi, and ACM are all the same organisation. Thanks for proving my point.
According to the North Sails website 3DL sails are also made in Sri Lanka "Additional 3DL molds have recently been put into operation in North's manufacturing facility in Sri Lanka." I wonder if they are anywhere else?
WetHog,
ACM, SNG and Alinghi are one today. They were not then. You confirm you know nothing and simply waste bandwidth.
@1:37 PM
ACM doesn't exsist today. So BMWO, as COR, had absolutely nothing to do with the organization of AC32? Quotes in the press suggest otherwise.
to 1:37 PM anon
I totally agree with WetHog!
Although it is christmas eve - you are an idiot
It is a privilege to be considered as an idiot by you as I do not consider am like you .
Go and get drunk.
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