Video: How is a Northsails 3DL® sail made?
The latest legal wrangle in the 33rd America's Cup concerns Alinghi's sails. BMW Oracle first claimed they weren't made in Switzerland while Alinghi swiftly replied by stating they were indeed built in their home country. Regardless of what the truth might be, here's an interesting video of the production of one of these high-tech sails.
Labels: 33rd America's Cup, Alinghi, Alinghi 5, North Sails
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I don't know much about making sails, but based on this video what is left for Alinghi to do after their sails leave 3DL? lol
Not sure if I have the current version of the Deed of Gift but the piece relationg to country of origin reads "Any organized Yacht Club of a foreign country, incorporated, patented, or licensed by the legislature, admiralty, or other executive department, having for its annual regatta on ocean water course on the sea, or on an arm of the sea, or one which combines both, shall always be entitled to the right of sailing a match for this Cup, with a yacht or vessel propelled by sails only and constructed in the country to which the Challenging Club belongs, against any one yacht or vessel constructed in the country of the Club holding the Cup.
In here is the phrase 'PROPELLED BY SAILS ONLY' Surely a wingmast is NOT a sail!
Wethog, my friend Cody says you dont know shit
BOR have shoot themselves i think this time becasue. alinghi would have been too gentleman to protest about the bor solidwingmast because of respect for the attempt - But now the BO want to talk these issueas about sails Alinghi will be okay to protest the solid sail and they will command respect from all the sailing commuinity for this becase they have sailor andsaillofts across the world who now this and can want support alinhgi on these subjects.
Stars and Stripes sailed with a wing mast in '88. Precedent? And if a wing sail isn't a "sail" then why didn't Fay and the Kiwi's protest that point in court after the match? You all do remember that Cup was contested in court after the fact right?
Precedent allowing the defender to select the venue for the America's Cup has been around since day one. So precedents don't mean a lot to this match.
Now you'll probably respond by saying their choice of venue wasn't deed legal. But it was legal within the context of "Valencia, or any other location". It was the New York courts at the bequest of Oracle who stripped SNG of their right to choose the venue at a point in time when it was too late to select another without breaking Judge Cahn's order of February 8th.
So, as i said, precedents don't count for anything in this AC.
I am a naval architect and former Cup designer. This video just goes to show that Alinghi are in deep trouble on this issue. No wonder Alinghi keeps asking Oracle to relax the construction rules to the almost nonexistent level they were in the 32nd Cup - or so I hear from friends on both teams. Alinghi repeatedly breaks the Deed then gets punished by the Court and Jury. Is it because Ernesto has bad legal/rules advisers? Or does not listen to them? Or both? Bertarelli building his sails in Minden is even more amazing, and stupid, than his CNEV ploy. I am no fan of Ellison, Ehman and Coutts, but Bertarelli has gone soft in the head.
I've been making 3DL sails for 13 years and i can tell you Alinghi have nothing to worry about.
Essentially they're buying panels which they then build a sail from. If they were building a one piece sail it might be a different story, but even then with amount of hours it takes to build a superyacht 3DL versus the laminating time i would still hold that they're in the clear.
Wingmast - please go read ISAF Equipment & you will see the wingmast qualifies under several points. So please move on as it's a now starter.
btw if SNG wants to go there lets go back to J Boats as their sails don't qualify either if the wing sail doesn't & let's not forget they were molded in the USA.
The video shows complete sails coming out of the mould.
As I understand for the sail sizes used on the defender, the Minden moulds are not big enough to complete full sails. They must mould several panels that the swiss would turn into real sails in Switzerland.
@6:04 PM
No I'll say SNG/Alinghi lost their right to choose the venue the moment they put the venue for AC32 out to bid. One precedent trumps another in regards to SNG/Alinghi.
6:04 PM - please read your AC history.
Deed Edition 1 & 2 stated the Defender is suppose to sail in the waters they hold their Annual Regatta. That was changed to the current language in editions 3,4 & 5 to say courses blah, blah, blah.
Everyone understood where to sail except when SNG came along. Now SNG is being held to the Deed & you lot are whining. Get into the history of the AC before you whine as the real story is completing different than what SNG is spinning & that's why they are loosing in court & with the expert sailing panel.
Also understand there is a huge difference between Mutual Consent & Deed of Gift matches. SNG not understanding DoG is why they are having probelms.
5.01am. It is a hardsail. Nothing written requiring them to be soft sails.
Don't forget, that the invention of the 3DL sails is Swiss, and that a key person of the team that developped this technique and original licence holder is Luc du Bois SUI, ( http://www.alinghi.com/en/alinghi/team/index.php?idIndex=3&idContent=2245 ).
BOR should stop trying to win in Court.With "The Principal Naval Architects: VPLP (Van Peteghem and Lauriot Prévost)from Paris and Vannes France, as designers of the trimaran, and using a wing instead of a sail as requested by the deed, they should really shut up.
Don't forget that the invention of 3DL sails is Swiss, and that the co-inventor of this technique and licence holder Luc du Bois ( http://www.alinghi.com/en/alinghi/team/index.php?idIndex=3&idContent=2245 ) has been a member of the Alinghi team since its existence.
BOR does not stop to try to win the race in Court instead of having the guts to face Alinghi on the water. Sailing a boat designed in France (Principal Naval Architects: VPLP (Van Peteghem and Lauriot Prévost of Paris and Vannes), and using wing instead of a sail as litterally defined in the Deed of Gift, they should now finally shut up and face the defender on the water and stop this endless court battle.
Anyone who has worked on a 3DL blank to get it ready for Cup racing knows that this is a non issue. Go on, try and run a blank up the mast ans see how you get on. Anyone with basic knowledge of sailmaking knows what is going on here. This is totally bullshit.
Everyone here says the the wingsail is legal due to technicalities only; the exact same thing applies to 3DLs.
The jury are not going to rule in favor of BMW on this. If they did, it would open up the arguments is every piece of raw material used on both yachts and neither would then be from their origin country.
can smeone tell me where the carbon in a 3DL sail comes from?
The carbon is made in Japan.
If the carbon is made in Japan what carbon are the Oracle guys using?
Exactly the same.
So forgive my stupidity but does it not matter that the carbon comes from Japan?
I have another question. Do Oracle have a team of guys working for them on the sails? Or do they buy them directly from North sails 3DL.
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